Sunday, August 10, 2008

Athlete Types

It seems like I have written about this before but I don’t find it in the archives. So I’ll talk about it at the risk of repeating myself.

I have found in nearly 30 years of coaching endurance athletes that there are three general types of athletes — artists, scientists and accountants.

Pros tend to be artist-athletes. They would rather not have to use heart rate monitors, power meters, accelerometers or GPS devices. A stopwatch is about as close as they get to using numbers when training. Just as with artists they don’t often think about how. You wouldn’t ask Michaelangelo why he put a bit of color in the corner of a painting. He’d answer with something such as, “It just felt like the thing to do.” Ask a pro how he makes a certain move and he may not be able to tell you exactly. “It feels like this,” he’d say. Pros can benefit from having a coach – someone who can analyze the details and make changes when needed.

Scientist-athletes like to analyze the numbers and then make changes to see what happens with performance. They conduct experiments with n=1 constantly. Their training is one endless scientific study. They love to share what they’ve learned with other scientist-athletes on blogs, message boards and in chat rooms. Their greatest need is to have a coach who can give their training a consistent direction and purpose.

Accountant-athletes simply love numbers. They have multiple devices on their handlebars. They wear a heart rate monitor and a GPS when running. And they look at all the numbers. Following the workout they download all the data and have a great time just looking at it — tables, graphs and charts. Beautiful numbers! They are usually very good at doing math in their heads while training to calculate average speeds and paces, grades, power-heart rate ratios, variability indices, and more. They are very good with numbers. But a coach could help this athlete make sense of the numbers and narrow it down to what is and isn’t important.

There are few athletes I’ve come across who are purely defined by one of these categories. Most have a strong tendency toward one of these categories, however.

As you might guess, I’m a scientist-athlete; I love to experiment to find what works and what doesn’t. That probably helps my coaching. But I try to nurture the artist in me to become a little stronger as an athlete. Because of this I like to talk with artist-athletes as they give me a fresh point of view. But sometimes they frustrate me when the topic becomes the least bit technical.

What’s your tendency?

14 Comments:

At August 10, 2008 11:34 PM , Blogger Colin Griffiths said...

Very good, I like this! I'm more accountant with a splash of scientist. Getting a coach for next season is definately something I am thinking about.

 
At August 11, 2008 5:20 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Joe,

this is the last line of the macro I was writing when I read your post:

CTL = CTL + TSS(i)*Exp(-dt/42)

Yes, I love numbers. And the will is to improve myself as an athlete through the use of appropriate training planning and feedback given by numbers but... Numbers can be demoralizing for the impatient since the progression they show is most of the times very slow.
I happen to be impatient.
This is the reason why I'd prefere to be an artist rather than... an accountant (?). Some times the numbers that I love are putting me down and I fall in the problem that is well described in your previous post of August 4th: I lack consistency and this leads me to periods without training followed by periods of intense training with the mathematical result of unavoidable over-reaching.

This is my tendency.

All the best and thank you for your blog,
Stefano

 
At August 11, 2008 7:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an Accountant-Athlete 76.4% of the time.

 
At August 12, 2008 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe

What kind of 6min power from your experience does a 155 pound pro have, I just started triathlon this year and at the beging of the season I was at 370 I think I can hold around 400 now just curious, to where that puts me?
thank you
Ron

 
At August 12, 2008 8:50 AM , Anonymous vikram said...

Interesting. Another view would be to segregate athletes into thinkers and feelers. Feelers - are those who are in tune with thier body, and listen to thier body more than externally collected data. Thinkers rely on external data more than anything.

I've been somewhere in between a artist and accountant.

Cheers,
Vikram

 
At August 12, 2008 5:28 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

anon--Their FTP is usually in the 320-350 range. CP6 is about 120% of that so around 380-420 I'd guess.

 
At August 13, 2008 12:30 AM , Blogger Andre said...

I'm also an accountant with a hint of scientist. I've got the GPS/HR monitor with me on every training session. I like trying new things to see what works and how it affects the numbers.

 
At August 13, 2008 9:18 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I confess to being an accountant. I had run and Tri'd off and on in my 30's and early 40's, but with mediocre commitment. When I turned 50 I bought the Forerunner 305 when it came out and was hooked. My Tri-bike is as you describe, with Garmin Mount, IBike meter, etc.

And I will also admit to having a degree in accounting (but I have never been an accountant). I am a manager who wanted to understand the numbers.

I am not sure if I will ever become a scientist, however it has helped me to understand the numbers.

 
At August 13, 2008 2:21 PM , Anonymous Shawn said...

I'm a scientist-athlete at heart but have been surprised how I seem to be drifting towards the artist style as I become a more fit and experienced athlete. I still love my power meter but it's becoming a validation tool in a lot of ways. I'm starting to go more on feel then look at the data afterwards just to compare to other performances.

 
At August 13, 2008 2:51 PM , Anonymous Tibor Gijssen said...

Interesting! I recently spoke both the U23 and Elite National Champs of my contry and they both are artists. They hardly watch their hart rate during training and just seem to know how to train right, and obviously, they are doing something right!

I am more the artist type, but like to be more scientist as I often don't seem to know what do or develop a sense of guilt as I feel uncertain about my training.

 
At August 13, 2008 2:51 PM , Anonymous Tibor Gijssen said...

Interesting! I recently spoke both the U23 and Elite National Champs of my contry and they both are artists. They hardly watch their hart rate during training and just seem to know how to train right, and obviously, they are doing something right!

I am more the artist type, but like to be more scientist as I often don't seem to know what do or develop a sense of guilt as I feel uncertain about my training.

 
At August 20, 2008 7:48 PM , Anonymous Andrea@brickhouseracing said...

Nice post! I have been resisting the technology for so long... I didn't lay hands on a HRM until I got a coach. He's convinced me kicking & screaming to get a Powertap. Glad to know I'm not the only one!

 
At September 5, 2008 7:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved this! I had felt a little guilty for enjoying the post-run data manipulation more than the run itself during my first two years of Tri'ing. Not anymore. Thanks!

 
At October 27, 2008 5:13 AM , Blogger Christian said...

An artist for sure, interesting to be able to put a finger on it. My body is always right and it´s more fun listening to it and adapting accordingly than to analyse numbers etc...

 

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